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    Is Jesus God?
    The reality of the incarnation
    On the account of the incarnation and its reality and the consequence of this account we do need to look at the relation between Jesus and God as introduction help us to understand the whole thing.
    I will quote from john 3:16
    For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[f]that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
    This sentence is the favourite of all priests, missionaries and anybody who proclaim the good news.
    It was subjected to falsification that changes its meaning from head to toes.
    King James Version has another opinion and I will quote from the same john 3:16
    For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
    Someone will come and ask me; my friend why you are asking this sceptical question?
    The same person will add problem after that is the meaning of the sentence will stay the same.
    I am copying from the Revised Standard Version that it was published in 1972 as it was her second edition of the New Testament.
    (Yet the King James Version have grave defects) and in another passage (that these defects are so many and as serious as to call for revision).
    One of these revisions is to change begotten to only son but why?
    The committee that revised King James discovered that begotten is a casual word on the bible and it had to be changed.
    This word will related to whoever read it that Jesus as son of god as result of sexual intercourse which is linked to the most fallen process on the plant which is sex.
    Its animalism instinct and we should not refer it to god; the committee discover that so they change silently.
    We could have better idea if we read from the gospel of Luke 1:35
    The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called[c] the Son of God
    I am not how honourable Christian could read that and don’t feel throughout everything out of his mouth.
    God angel (Holy Spirit) will do with marry the same as somebody would do with his wife.
    If we do quick review for the oxford Canadian dictionary of current English and look for begotten so we will find it under beget which have two meaning:
    1-be the parent especially the father of (his only begotten son=God is his father)
    2-cause (God begotten him=God cause him)
    One of the main texts that scholars in teaching, preaching or debate would use is quoted from Mathew 1:23
    "The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel"[d]—which means, "God with us."
    I do feel empathy for people still using this text as evidence that the new porn baby was god as incarnated in Jesus the Christ.
    God is everywhere and he was not there when Jesus born, God with us in our work, school and even with me now when I am writing this subject.
    He is with me now and I could feel his blame that I didn’t pay him his duties and offer my respect as I was in physical and mental condition due to exhaustion and I know no excuse in that.
    Did I see God?
    The answer would be No
    Do I feel him?
    The answer will be yes
    The concept that God wasn’t with us until Jesus birth is so wrong and it consider hypocrite in some cultures or religion.
    We do notice the use of (son of god) frequently in the New Testament to indicate the relation between God and Jesus as his son.
    The question is this the real meaning of the word?
    The answer is No since the bible is full of borrowing the meaning of the word to serve certain aspect not related to it as its mirror reflection meaning.
    We quote here from Mathew 5:9
    Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.
    Everybody obey god commands; make piece and preach the god word of good news will be the son of god.
    God is the creator and the father of every living creature by the rule of he create them, even the animals such as the donkey so does that mean God is his father.
    Exodus 4:22
    Then say to Pharaoh, 'this is what the LORD says: Israel is my firstborn son,
    John 1:11
    He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God.
    They do call the priest in the church father but is this any mean that he is the begotten all of that.
    We do need to go back to Luke account on Jesus birth to review the meaning of firstborn child and the purpose of Luke to mention it that way.
    Luke 1:35
    The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you, so the holy one to be born will be called[c] the Son of God.
    The verse above describe how marry got pregnant of Jesus, the same as the man would do to his wife.
    Description that you want find even in most criticize magazines or books on Jesus or Christianity and thanks to god it’s going that way.
    We do need to understand the way Luke writes his gospel that he try to confirm two things:
    1- Through the genealogy of the Jesus that he is try to trace it up to Adam in related with the original sin.
    2- The account of Jesus birth to ensure that reader understands the connection between God and Jesus as his sun.
    Most of the opinions would say that the incarnation was complete but on the other hand few others would say that it was partial carrying all the characteristic of the whole which is God as his father.
    In both cases Jesus would have the ability to perform all what the father could and have the full power of the father.
    Did Jesus have the ultimate control over the God as his father power?
    Did he need God or ask God help at any stage of his life?
    Both answers would be No
    I will quote from Mathew 28:18 as start-up for this section and that would say:
    Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
    If Jesus was God, son of God or have full incarnation or partial one so would he need something to be given to him?
    Is Jesus dependent on somebody as source of authority or power?
    In John 6:38-39 we do read the answer as:
    For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39And this is the will of him who sent me that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.
    What we conclude here that there are two wills which God and Jesus which mean that they can’t be one united will since indeed one of them is dependent on the other.
    We do read in Mathew 8:19-20
    Teacher, I will follow you wherever you go."
    Jesus replied, "Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head."
    The God is unlimited, God is everywhere, God could hear our cry and see our tears but does that mean we could draw picture for God looking like human?
    The answer is no because nobody would see God, God don’t have physical formation known to people so they could describe it.
    Too many people don’t recognize it that Jesus insures the salvation for one God which is not him but the only God the creator of the universe and make it one of the two great commandments.
    Mark 12:29-30
    The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.[e] 30Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.'[f] 31The second is this: 'Love your neighbour as yourself.'[g]There is no commandment greater than these."
    The crucial point her that Jesus God is the same as the Jewish people god and Jesus in this verse made himself equal to the Jewish as they have one God.
    There are no way that somebody would come and say that this text contains the concept of trinity or Jesus as the sun of God.
    Mathew 6:9 would carry the same meaning which it mention the concept of one God for Jesus and the Jewish people.
    This, then, is how you should pray:
    ”‘Our Father in heaven,
    hallowed be your name,
    The conclusion is one God that Jesus and the Jewish people would ask help, pray and raise their hands towards him.
    We do need to have looked here at the authority of God and its limits and the crucial question: did the creator need the creature?
    In Mathew 4:1-11 that Jesus was tested by the evil (Satan) and we do need to lay our hands on two facts here as conclusion:
    1- Jesus did confirm the unity of one God for all when he told Satan in two locations:
    It is also written: 'Do not put the Lord your God to the test.
    Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only
    2- Jesus did confirm very important fact that creator don’t need its creature.
    We do quote other text also from Luke 24:39, 41-42
    39Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have."
    Do you have anything here to eat?" 42They gave him a piece of broiled fish, 43and he took it and ate it in their presence.
    Jesus told his student here we go that I am of human nature and I eat food and have physical appearance that you could touch and it have mass of ***** and bones.
    The account of John 11 regarding Jesus on his way to Judea they inform him that Lazarus is sick, when he reach Lazarus house to heal him so he ask and was informed that he was dead.
    We do have several important conclusions here:
    1-jesus don’t know
    Where have you laid him?
    If Jesus was God or son of God and the complete incarnation or partial that will carry the characteristic of the whole, how suppose he is asking about the tomb place?
    If he have the ultimate knowledge and he was before Abraham and he is God so why his knowledge is limited?
    2-jesus ask God for help
    We do read in John 11:41-42
    41So they took away the stone. Then Jesus looked up and said, "Father, I thank you that you have heard me. 42I knew that you always hear me, but I said this for the benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe that you sent me
    When we quote this story from the gospel of john we do notice 3 key points in 3 key phrases:
    1-Looked up=Jesus asking God for help
    How suppose that Jesus is God incarnated in Jesus body and looking up, for who he is looking?
    2-You always hear me
    Jesus speak to God to ask him for help and God always respond
    3- That you sent me
    We have her Jesus and God as two separate persons; they are not one as God incarnated in Jesus body.
    The problem that in these days were most of the people praying and worshiping Jesus as result of their faith in him as the incarnated God in the body of human.
    If the standard of Jesus incarnation is the performing of miracles so what’s my lovely readers on the verses that I quote all from the gospel of Mathew and they are:
    15"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
    22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
    11and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.
    24For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible.
    All that verses i did mention above to indicate Jesus warning to people from false prophets that will do the miracles to mislead the chosen, what Jesus mean by the chosen?
    His 12 disciples
    The verse in Paul letter to the Romans 1:25-26
    24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
    As I explain in previous part of this article that Jesus was creature of God so somebody convene as to worship Jesus instead of God.
    The main point of the incarnation neither complete nor partial is that it will be one so God will be Jesus and Jesus will be God.
    What we read in John 8:27-28
    So Jesus said, "When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am the one I claim to be and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me. 29The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what pleases him." 30Even as he spoke, many put their faith in him.
    In another occasion here we do read from Mark 13:32-33 that Jesus doesn’t know.
    32"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 33Be on guard! Be alert[f]! You do not know when that time will come.
    Now here we go the issue is that if Jesus was God so who suppose he don’t know the day and the hour
    I do have third narrative here from Gospel of Mathew related to the story of Jesus and the fig tree.
    Mathew 21:18-19
    18Early in the morning, as he was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. 19Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, "May you never bear fruit again!" Immediately the tree withered.
    It’s not only he don’t know information that consider basic since it’s not season for figs but also he cursed the tree in behaviour that I don’t understand from somebody he claim he is the God of love and he had hatred even for fig tree.
    Somebody will come and told you that Jesus was doing miracles such as healing sick, casting out demons and the most important is raising people from dead.
    He will give the example of the Lazarus but as I detailed this one above in this article so I want talk about again.
    We do have another story greater than Lazarus story and we do read it in 2kings 13:21
    21 Once while some Israelites were burying a man, suddenly they saw a band of raiders; so they threw the man's body into Elisha's tomb. When the body touched Elisha's bones, the man came to life and stood up on his feet.
    Elisha’s is greater than Jesus since he raise the guy by touching his bones not when he is alive as Lazarus story.
    For everybody guess what would be the question that everybody should ask at this case her?
    If Jesus was son of God or the incarnated God in Jesus body neither this incarnation complete or partial.
    The Question is would the God be able to cause people death and raise them from live?
    This quotes her from john 5:21 look really very interesting since it clarifies the limit of ability between God and son of God.
    21For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life; even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it.
    We did talk about before about how the God of love didn’t even leave the fig tree alone and curse her not to pair any fruit will we do have another verse here were Jesus don’t know the hour of the end.
    I will quote from Mark 13:32-33
    32"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 33Be on guard! Be alert[f]! You do not know when that time will come.
    This text is very understandable if it was the teaching of the human than he don’t know and he have limited knowledge, the trick her that whoever saying that here is the incarnated God in the Body of his sun Jesus the Christ.
    Another quote I like it really from Mathew 20:20-23
    20Then the mother of Zebedee's sons came to Jesus with her sons and, kneeling down, asked a favor of him.
    21"What is it you want?" he asked.
    She said, "Grant that one of these two sons of mine may sit at your right and the other at your left in your kingdom."
    22"You don't know what you are asking," Jesus said to them. "Can you drink the cup I am going to drink?"
    "We can," they answered.
    23Jesus said to them, "You will indeed drink from my cup, but to sit at my right or left is not for me to grant. These places belong to those for whom they have been prepared by my Father."
    It’s about that Jesus who can’t do something since he have limited ability and he could promises the mother of Zebedee what in his hand to do as human not what is not in his hand but only the father.
    We do have point that we should discuss is that related to the propertied of God almighty in the bible new testament.
    1-God is complete
    You can’t attach to god any character that affects his almighty image to be defective as i quoted from Mathew 5:48
    48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
    2-God is righteous
    God don’t do mistakes as example so he is pure and away from sinning.
    In this text that is very clear that Jesus is denying the character from him and attaches it to God as God the only to deserve it.
    We quote from Mathew 19:16-17
    16Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?"
    17"Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only one who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments."
    3-God is capable of doing everything as its unlimited ability
    I quote this one from Mathew 19:26
    26Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."
    The question is did everybody agree on this characters for God as it’s attach to ultimate God only and no one else will share it with him.
    The answer is No because as usual Paul the apostle have different opinion as usual disagree with all other accounts.
    1Corn 1:20, 25
    20Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?
    25For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength.
    Paul also mention on several location in his letter some strange idea regarding what I call it Paul Gods
    Rom 1:1
    1Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God
    Rom 1:8
    8First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because your faith is being reported all over the world
    Rom 1:9
    9God, whom I serve with my whole heart in preaching the gospel of his Son, is my witness how constantly I remember you
    Rom 1:10
    10in my prayers at all times; and I pray that now at last by God's will the way may be opened for me to come to you.
    Servant of Jesus one time then servant of God and he close the account with servants for Gods in contradiction that I can’t find similar in the most fiction stories as in harry potter.
    One question always confuse me that how bible claim that Jesus is God or the God incarnated in Jesus body but Jesus say that nobody will see God
    I do quote that from John 5:37
    37And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form,
    If Christians worship Jesus as they consider him the incarnated God but actually the bible mentions somebody greater than Jesus.
    Quote Heb 7:1-3
    1This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him, 2and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, his name means "king of righteousness"; then also, "king of Salem" means "king of peace." 3Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, like the Son of God he remains a priest forever.
    He don’t have beginning and Jesus does
    He don’t have end and Jesus does
    Will you know another God in the bible?
    Did Jesus say that he is God?
    Did the incarnated God in Jesus body have the full capability?
    Why Jesus ask help from God?
    Why the incarnated God look for the sky for hope?
    Who is the incarnated God trying to ask help from?

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    Great job , brother
    May Allah bless you
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    نقره لتكبير أو تصغير الصورة ونقرتين لعرض الصورة في صفحة مستقلة بحجمها الطبيعي

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    بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
    السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

    Did the incarnated God in Jesus body have the full capability?
    Why Jesus ask help from God?
    Why the incarnated God look for the sky for hope?
    Who is the incarnated God trying to ask help from?

    I hope if any christian could answer?!!!
    Im witing 4 christian people ????
    where r u christian????
    dont u feel proud of ur relegion??
    if u do so come and answer to us......
    we witing 4 u...
    thank u basan jazaky alah kher
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