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    To put it in a nutshell,

    Christians believe in Jesus as GOD Almighty, yet, he never claimed to be GOD. There is absolutely no concrete base for Trinity. Just because Jesus was called "Son of God" and "God", even though he never said he was "God", it doesn't make him GOD. David was called GOD's BEGOTTEN Son in Psalm 2:7, and Satan was called "God (same word used for Jesus in Greek)" in 2 Corinthians 4:4. Israel was called GOD's first born Son in Exodus 4:22. There are many other examples for GOD's Sons in the Bible.
    All what Christians have are conclusions. Conclusions come from theories. Theories are always venerable for disproof.
    Have Jesus said
    "I am your LORD worship me" as GOD said in the Old Testament, then we would have a solid concrete ground. But as far as I am concerned, Trinity is very weak and bogus! with all respect due to Trinitarian Christians. Non of GOD's religions (including the New Testament) taught Trinity.


    The word "Trinity" doesn't even exist in the Bible!.
    Trinity is a false interpretation that was caused by the unfortunate exaggerating and misleading "Godly" name that was given to Jesus and to others in the Old Jewish Culture.

    The only unique title that GOD Almighty had in the Bible that non was ever called (including Jesus) was "Yahweh" or "Jehovah".
    Bring me one Bible Verse that directly referred to Jesus as "Yahweh" or "Jehovah" and then I'll consider Trinity to be a valid belief in the Bible.

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    جزاك الله خيراً أخي الفاضل

    اتمنى أن تثبته و تستكمله وذلك أن هذا الموضوع حجة أكثر المسيحيين

    و هو هام جداً و نحتاجه في كل حوار

    و جزاك الله كل خير
    السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

    وجزاكِ الله خيراً أختي الكريمة

    إن شاء الله سيتم تثبيته, وإضافة المزيد ...
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    Sorry to interrupt you brother, but i can't stop my self from saying: may God bless you ... continue cause i am really interested of this great article ..
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    To be continued
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    The Father is greater than the son, so how can Jesus be GOD Almighty in the light of the following verses?

    If Jesus was GOD,
    then why in Mark 12:29 Jesus said "Here, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord." The words "our God" indicate that Jesus had a higher God over him, a stronger God than him. Jesus didn't say "Your God". He said "our God" which includes Jesus as the creation of GOD.

    If Jesus was GOD,
    then why did he ask for GOD's Forgiveness in Luke 23:34? Please visit How can Jesus be GOD Almighty when he asked for GOD's Forgiveness?

    If Jesus was GOD,
    then why Mark 15:34 says "And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

    If Jesus was GOD,
    then did Paul say in 1 Corinthians 8:6 "yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live."

    If Jesus was GOD,
    then why in John 20:17 Jesus said "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.' "

    If Jesus was GOD,
    then why in John 8:28 Jesus said "I do nothing of myself"? Can't GOD do anything he wills?

    If Jesus was GOD,
    then why in John 14:28 Jesus said "My Father (GOD) is greater than I"?

    If Jesus was GOD,
    then why in Luke 23:46 Jesus said "Father (GOD), into thy hands I commend my spirit"?

    If Jesus was GOD,
    then why in Mark 10:18 Jesus said “And Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.”?

    Also in Luke 18:19 Jesus said only GOD Almighty is Good: ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone."

    If Jesus was GOD,
    then why in Matthew 26:39 Jesus begged his GOD to have mercy on him and to pass the cup to death (kill Jesus in another words) before Jesus goes through the pain of crucifixion?

    If Jesus was GOD,
    then why in John 18:38 he didn't reply when he was asked about the truth?

    If Jesus was GOD,
    then why in Matthew 24:36 Jesus said "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." Jesus told his followers that no one (including Jesus) knows when the judgment day will come, only GOD knows?

    If Jesus was GOD,
    then why in Isaiah 11:2-3 GOD had put the spirit of fearing GOD in Jesus?

    If Jesus was GOD,
    then why in John 5:31 Jesus told his followers that if he (Jesus) bears witness of himself, then his record is not true?

    If Jesus was GOD,
    then why in John 5:30 Jesus told his followers that he can't do a single thing of his own initiative?

    If Jesus was GOD,
    then why in John 5:36-38 Jesus said that GOD had assigned him (Jesus) work and GOD is a witness on Jesus?

    If Jesus was GOD,
    then why in John 5:32 Jesus told his followers that they have never seen GOD at anytime nor ever heard his voice?

    If Jesus was GOD,
    then why did he pray to his GOD in Luke 5:16?

    If Jesus was GOD,
    then why in Matthew 26:39 Jesus fell on his face and prayed to his GOD?

    If Jesus was GOD, then how come in Hebrew 5:7 he prayed and cried for GOD to hear him and give him mercy by saving him from death?

    If Jesus was GOD,
    then how come in John 1:18 he said "No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the FATHER'S side, has made HIM known." Where do you see Trinity in this Verse?

    If Jesus was GOD,
    then how come in John 5:37 he said "And the FATHER who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard HIS voice nor seen HIS form," Jesus and the GOD are different. People heard Jesus, but never heard GOD.

    To be continued

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    Bravo !! well said ma sha'a Allah
    Thanks so much ma bro , I really benefited alot this thread is informative
    May Allah bless you and guide who believe in the Trinity to the right path
    If they really wanna the true religion they should honestly ask the One God to guide them

    Thanks again !
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    Thanks alot brother Authentic Man for your trial in analysing the christian's trinity which is completely unlogic and mentally refused by non-christians

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    Trinitarians often like to claim that they have a monotheistic belief, and that the Trinity is not the worship of 3 Gods rather it is the worship of One God.
    Basically they say the Trinity doctrine is as follow:
    1- God is made up of 3 persons
    2- The three persons are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit
    3- All three persons are distinct from each other, The Father is not the Son, nor is the Son the Father etc.
    4- Each person in the Trinity has a role of their own
    5- Jesus is the Son in the Trinity
    Basically, that is the dogma of the Trinity.
    Now let us show exactly why Christians do in fact worship three God's. As I said, the Trinity is made up of THREE people; these three people are all different.
    Look at this catastrophic figure that illutrate their God and note the word "Is not" which confirms that they are three Gods and not one



    We are waiting for a christian to defend his religion

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    Bravo !! well said ma sha'a Allah
    Thanks so much ma bro , I really benefited alot this thread is informative
    May Allah bless you and guide who believe in the Trinity to the right path
    If they really wanna the true religion they should honestly ask the One God to guide them

    Thanks again !
    Thanks a lot sister
    May Allah bless you , too
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    Thanks alot brother Authentic Man for your trial in analysing the christian's trinity which is completely unlogic and mentally refused by non-christians



    Look at this catastrophic figure that illutrate their God and note the word "Is not" which confirms that they are three Gods and not one



    We are waiting for a christian to defend his religion

    Thanks a million sister

    The Father ≠ The Son ≠ The Holy Spirit

    The Father = God
    The Son = God
    The Hply Spirit = God

    So
    God = God = God

    hence,

    if we consider, God = 1

    1 = 1 =1

    So,

    1 + 1 + 1 = 1



    opssss !!!!!

    The Father ≠ The Son ≠ The Holy Spirit


    ٍSo,
    God ≠ God ≠ God

    As a result
    1 ≠ 1 ≠ 1

    1 + 1 +1 = 3



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