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    السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
    اقترح إن أمكن عمل قائمة بالمواضيع الجاري تفنيدها بأول مشاركة لتعظيم الاستفادة
    بارك الله فيكم و اعانكم على المضي قدما
    و السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
    أين الذين هم الرجال إذا دعوا هبوا وإن دوى النفير أغاروا
    يا مسلمون ومن سواكم للحمى إن كشرت عن نابها الأخطار
    الله أكبر في الحياة نشيدنا نور على درب الكفاح ونار


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    السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
    اقترح إن أمكن عمل قائمة بالمواضيع الجاري تفنيدها بأول مشاركة لتعظيم الاستفادة
    بارك الله فيكم و اعانكم على المضي قدما
    و السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
    وعليكم السلام ورحمة الله وبركاته


    بلى هو اقتراح مهم و لكن أتوقع أن من يستطيع عمل ذلك هو مشرف القسم

    فيكتب مثل مقدمة فيها بالترقيم و الاسم المواضيع التي تم تفنيدها بالترتيب ( كالفرس) لتسهل للباحث الوصول لما يريد في الموضوع
    وإخوان حسبتهم دروعا ×××× فكانوها ولكن للأعادي
    وخلتهم سهاما صائبات ×××× فكانوها ولكن في فؤادي
    وقالوا قد صفت منا قلوب ×××× لقد صدقوا ولكن من ودادي

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    2- Polygamy


    Do not object on the multiple wives of our prophet muhammad (peace be upon him ) because according to your Bible that you believes in it "Solomon the Wise" who is a prophet and a writer of some sanitation of the bible had seven hundred wives of royal birth and three hundred concubines




    Kings 1: 11) New International Version)



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    3 He had seven hundred wives of royal birth and three hundred concubines, and his wives led him astray



    David had 29 wives and 40 concubines as mentioned in the bible
    (1Sa18:20 ), (Sa 25:42-43), (2Sa 3:2 -5), (2Sa 11:26-27) , (2Sa 5:12-13)


    Jacob had three wives and one made


    Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines
    Chronicles 2 : 11) New International Version)


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    21 Rehoboam loved Maacah daughter of Absalom more than any of his other wives and concubines. In all, he had eighteen wives and sixty concubines, twenty-eight sons and sixty daughters.


    Abraham had three wives and ten concubines and maybe more

    Moses had two wives



    So do not object
    What the Bible says about Polygamy

    Genesis 4:19
    And Lamech took unto him two wives.
    Genesis 16:1-4
    Now Sarai Abram's wife bare him no children: and she had an handmaid, an Egyptian, whose name was Hagar. And Sarai said unto Abram, Behold now, the LORD hath restrained me from bearing: I pray thee, go in unto my maid; it may be that I may obtain children by her. And Abram hearkened to the voice of Sarai. And Sarai ... gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife. And he went in unto Hagar, and she conceived.
    Genesis 25:6
    But unto the sons of the concubines, which Abraham had....
    Genesis 26:34
    Esau ... took to wife Judith the daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and Bashemath the daughter of Elon the Hittite.
    Genesis 31:17
    Then Jacob rose up, and set ... his wives upon camels.
    Exodus 21:10
    If he take him another wife....
    Deuteronomy 21:15
    If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated....
    Judges 8:30
    And Gideon had threescore and ten sons of his body begotten: for he had many wives.
    1 Samuel 1:1-2
    Elkanah ... had two wives; the name of the one was Hannah, and the name of the other Peninnah.
    2 Samuel 12:7-8
    Thus saith the LORD God of Israel ... I gave thee ... thy master's wives....
    1 Kings 11:2-3
    Solomon ... had seven hundred wives ... and three hundred concubines.
    1 Chronicles 4:5
    And Ashur the father of Tekoa had two wives, Helah and Naarah.
    2 Chronicles 11:21
    Rehoboam ... took eighteen wives, and threescore concubines.
    2 Chronicles 13:21
    But Abijah waxed mighty, and married fourteen wives....
    2 Chronicles 24:3
    Jehoiada took for him two wives....
    Mt.25:1
    Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
    نقره لتكبير أو تصغير الصورة ونقرتين لعرض الصورة في صفحة مستقلة بحجمها الطبيعي

    تحمَّلتُ وحديَ مـا لا أُطيـقْ من الإغترابِ وهَـمِّ الطريـقْ
    اللهم اني اسالك في هذه الساعة ان كانت جوليان في سرور فزدها في سرورها ومن نعيمك عليها . وان كانت جوليان في عذاب فنجها من عذابك وانت الغني الحميد برحمتك يا ارحم الراحمين

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    You are again harking back to the Old Testament for your examples. This is because it is clear in the New Testament, which is Gods new covenant with mankind that polygamy is against what God ordained. Polygamy in the Bible was never allowed by Gods law but rather an action of men going against Gods law...for their own purposes. It is shown in the Bible as a lesson how not to behave as such as Lamech, David, Solomon and others who were polygamous their lives did not turn out well, it is said that Solomons heart was hardened against God by his polygamous actions.

    The clearest verse comes from Jesus in His teaching regarding plural marriage must be Matthew 19 8-9 which is on divorce

    Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery." (Matt 19.8-9)

    The key thing to note here is that this argument fails if polygamy is acceptable. Jesus' point is that improper divorce does not nullify a marriage, and if the first marriage still stands, then a "second" marriage is adultery--and NOT simply 'polygamy'! This is very clear.

    So you should not seek to justify polygamy in the Quran by passages from the Bible. The Old Testament practices you use in your justifications were already superseded by the teachings of Christ. Polygamy is not a decree from God..or ever has been. But a practice of men born from circumstances, traditions, tribal allegiances and mans lusts.
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    Pandor. Are you not believe in the Old Testament
    نقره لتكبير أو تصغير الصورة ونقرتين لعرض الصورة في صفحة مستقلة بحجمها الطبيعي

    تحمَّلتُ وحديَ مـا لا أُطيـقْ من الإغترابِ وهَـمِّ الطريـقْ
    اللهم اني اسالك في هذه الساعة ان كانت جوليان في سرور فزدها في سرورها ومن نعيمك عليها . وان كانت جوليان في عذاب فنجها من عذابك وانت الغني الحميد برحمتك يا ارحم الراحمين

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    The Old Testament is what it is, a record of mankind's growth and enlightenment towards God and his plan for us. Gods plan for the salvation of mankind did not happen overnight it was a gradual process. It is also an historical record of the times. It contains the foundation of the Christian faith and we are to learn from the lessons of examples given of the Biblical Patriarchs of that time. You may see your Quran as an instruction manual to be followed verbatim, but then it was formed in a very short period of time 22 years as opposed to a period of 1500 years it took to formulate the Bible. The two are not really comparable in many ways.

    The New Testament was the culmination of Gods work. :)

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    The Old Testament is what it is, a record of mankind's growth and enlightenment towards God and his plan for us. Gods plan for the salvation of mankind did not happen overnight it was a gradual process. It is also an historical record of the times. It contains the foundation of the Christian faith and we are to learn from the lessons of examples given of the Biblical Patriarchs of that time. You may see your Quran as an instruction manual to be followed verbatim, but then it was formed in a very short period of time 22 years as opposed to a period of 1500 years it took to formulate the Bible. The two are not really comparable in many ways.

    The New Testament was the culmination of Gods work. :)
    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
    نقره لتكبير أو تصغير الصورة ونقرتين لعرض الصورة في صفحة مستقلة بحجمها الطبيعي

    تحمَّلتُ وحديَ مـا لا أُطيـقْ من الإغترابِ وهَـمِّ الطريـقْ
    اللهم اني اسالك في هذه الساعة ان كانت جوليان في سرور فزدها في سرورها ومن نعيمك عليها . وان كانت جوليان في عذاب فنجها من عذابك وانت الغني الحميد برحمتك يا ارحم الراحمين

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    “And when the foolish address them (with bad words) they reply back with ‘Salamaa’ (peaceful words of gentleness).” (Qur’an, 25:63)

    Salamaa to you. :)


    “If they pass by some vain speech or play, they pass by it with dignity.” (Qur’an, 25:72)
    Bless you. :)

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    “And when the foolish address them (with bad words) they reply back with ‘Salamaa’ (peaceful words of gentleness).” (Qur’an, 25:63)

    Salamaa to you. :)


    “If they pass by some vain speech or play, they pass by it with dignity.” (Qur’an, 25:72)
    Bless you. :)
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    and you will find the nearest of them in affection to the believers those who say, "We are Christians." That is because among them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant.(82)
    نقره لتكبير أو تصغير الصورة ونقرتين لعرض الصورة في صفحة مستقلة بحجمها الطبيعي

    تحمَّلتُ وحديَ مـا لا أُطيـقْ من الإغترابِ وهَـمِّ الطريـقْ
    اللهم اني اسالك في هذه الساعة ان كانت جوليان في سرور فزدها في سرورها ومن نعيمك عليها . وان كانت جوليان في عذاب فنجها من عذابك وانت الغني الحميد برحمتك يا ارحم الراحمين

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    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
    It is better to speak the truth than it is to remain silent and be cursed.

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