Jesus is not God in the bible

[3abd Arahman]

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Arahman,

First of all, my name is not Arahman, it's Abd Arahman

Arahman means the most graceful and merciful

This is the name of God

My nickname is Abd Arahman which means the servant of the most merciful or the servant of God

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I responded to your trinity thread after all the writing I did it got lost because you closed the thread;

Sorry for this, but I told you I will close the thread
You should give me time to continue my response to all your claims, you can't just interrupt me every now and then
When you write a post, copy it before you submit
So that if for any reason your post is lost, you can easily paste it again

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so here is the short to it: I think you are confusing being emotional which are knee jerk responses with emotions which is God given and not necessarily a bad thing. Having emotion doesn't mean you don't use your heart or brain. My responses are carefully deliberated on, articulate and concise.

Burninglight, it will be better if you stop just arguing and think of what others are telling you
You are very emotional
This surely affects your decisions and choices when comparing religions
Some of your arguments are ridiculous because you are just following your emotions
For example you are arguing that because Jesus Pbuh has been born from virgin, he must be God
This is an extremely ridiculous argument and you know it's ridiculous
So simply, God can create a man without a father to show people his power and that he can do what he wants and that he can break all rules of physics and biology if he wants to
The argument that since he has no human father, his father must be God, is an extremely ridiculous argument
What about all the animals that come to life through Parthenogenesis from a mother without a father? Are they sons of God?
Stop being so emotional, in order to stop sticking to such ridiculous arguments and in order to have a sound judgement

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No one has been able to gainsay my posts.

A lot of your posts and arguments have been gainsaid but you can't see this because you are emotional
A typical example of this is your argument that Jesus is divine because he has been born by a virgin

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So just why would I want to be a slave to the god of Islam when I can be free and a child of the Most high God?

Actually, according to your Bible, Jesus Pbuh himself is a servant of God

Matthew 12
15 Jesus knew what the Pharisees were planning. So he left that place, and many people followed him. He healed all who were sick, 16 but he warned them not to tell others who he was. 17 This was to give full meaning to what Isaiah the prophet said when he spoke for God:
18 “Here is my servant,
the one I have chosen.
He is the one I love,
and I am very pleased with him.


So do you think that Jesus Pbuh is a servant or a slave of God and you are not ?
It is wirth to mention that the word in the arabic translations of the Bible that is used instead of Servant in Matthew 12 is not خادم ( Khadem) which means servant but is Abd ( عبد) which means slave

Actually according to the Bible you are surely a servant of God
Let's read from Revelation 22

8 I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. When I heard and saw them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had shown them to me.9 But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I’m a servant just like you and your brothers and sisters, the prophets, and those who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!”

So the angel, John, the prophets and those who keep the words of the scroll - according to the Bible - are all servants of God
Again the arabic word is Abd which means slave

Surely being a slave or a servant of God is not something bad, it means that God owns you in a way that can be compared to a master owning his slave
And this is surely true, God owns us and he has power and control over every single thing in our lives, we can't take a single breath unless he wills, everything that we have, God gave it to us : life, food , drink, health , money .... etc
In this way we are servants and slaves of God

In Christianity, God is described as a Father to show his love and mercy and men are described as his sons
In islam, we don't describe God as a father and we don't describe ourselves as sons of God, because describing our relation to God in this way has been misused by christians. Some of the early christians used to describe Jesus Pbuh as son of God, to show that God loves him, exactly as David and Solomon has been described as sons of God in the OT. However, after describing Jesus as son of God to show that God loves him, people began to believe that this means that he is God. This is why we don't describe God as a father in Islam or say that we are the sons of God.
However, Prophet Muhammad Pbuh taught us that God is not just as loving and merciful as a father, but that God is more loving and merciful than a mother. There’s a Hadith where a mother had lost her child during a battle, and she was looking for him fearing the worst. When she found him, she held him close and it was one of the most powerful scenes of love and mercy the companions have seen that they started to weep. Our Beloved peace be upon him said, “do you wonder at the mercy this mother had for her child? God is far more merciful to His servants than this mother is to her child!”

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Why would I want the uncertainity of my eternal destiny islam has to offer as Abu Bakr points out in the lack of trust he had in the Makr of Allah? I trust him less than that. I see that Muslims seem to be insecure in their faith as well.

In Islam, you are 100 % safe as long as you believe in God, all of his messengers, all of his books and in judgement day and you do good deeds.
This is the guarantee that the holy Quran gives to all people :


(من عمل صالحا من ذكر أو أنثى وهو مؤمن فلنحيينه حياة طيبة ولنجزينهم أجرهم بأحسن ما كانوا يعملون)

النحل 97

( Whoever does righteousness, whether male or female, while he is a believer – We will surely cause him to live a good life, and We will surely give them their reward [in the Hereafter] according to the best of what they used to do.) 15:97

So your security in Islam, depends on believing in the religion of God and doing rightousness
However, we don't think that we are sure that we are 100% safe in judgement day, because we don't know how our deeds will be at our death ? At our death, will we be believers doing good deeds ? If so, we are safe but we don't know how will we be at our death.

What about christianity?
You think that you are safe because God made the Jews and Romans kill his son or himself on the cross !!!
Surely, this is a very strange concept
However, let me ask you a question
Do you think that you are secure even if you kill other people or rob them or do very bad deeds just because you believe that God has sacrificed his son ?
If so, then surely christianity is not the true religion because it encourages people to do bad deeds just because they believe that they are secure whatever their deeds are, as long as they believe that Jesus Pbuh was crucified
If you think that to be secure, you must do good deeds, then this is the same as Islam, so there is no point at all in your objection
In Islam we have hope in God and in the same time we fear him
We hope that he will forgive us and have mercy on us and in the same time we fear his punishment
Our fear from god prevents us from doing bad deeds
Abu Bakr did not say that he does not trust God of course, but what he said means that he will fear God even if one of his legs was in paradise and the other is still outside it

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It shows in the fact that my post have to be screened for approval after all my posting. This tells me that Muslims are not rooted and grounded in their faith like true Christians are.

Well, this is just what you want to think
I told you, we do this with all members whether muslims or christians
We do this with christians, because some of them speak about Islam and Prophet MuhammadPbuh in a very rude offending way

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May God bless you with truth and peace

Thank you

[Burninglight]

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First of all, my name is not Arahman, it's Abd Arahman

Arahman means the most graceful and merciful

This is the name of God.

Okay, I accept that God is called Allah in Arabic and that the name of Islam's god is Arahman, but it is not His name according to the Jews and Christians. Perhaps that is why Allah considers us the worse of creatures in the Quran which is less than a dog, cat or insect/ worm.

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Burninglight, it will be better if you stop just arguing and think of what others are telling you
You are very emotional
This surely affects your decisions and choices when comparing religions
Some of your arguments are ridiculous because you are just following your emotions

Please don't go there.

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For example you are arguing that because Jesus Pbuh has been born from virgin, he must be God
This is an extremely ridiculous argument and you know it's ridiculous
So simply, God can create a man without a father to show people his power and that he can do what he wants and that he can break all rules of physics and biology if he wants to
The argument that since he has no human father, his father must be God, is an extremely ridiculous argument
What about all the animals that come to life through Parthenogenesis from a mother without a father? Are they sons of God?
Stop being so emotional, in order to stop sticking to such ridiculous arguments and in order to have a sound judgement

I never said Jesus was God because He was born of a virgin. You said I am saying that which I haven't said, and that is the only way you can gainsay me falsely. Now you stir up the emotion of laughter in me, LOL.

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A lot of your posts and arguments have been gainsaid but you can't see this because you are emotional
A typical example of this is your argument that Jesus is divine because he has been born by a virgin.

Go ahead and patronize me again and again. I have already mentioned how you gainsay me, LOL

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Actually, according to your Bible, Jesus Pbuh himself is a servant of God

So do you think that Jesus Pbuh is a servant or a slave of God and you are not ?
It is wirth to mention that the word in the arabic translations of the Bible that is used instead of Servant in Matthew 12 is not خادم ( Khadem) which means servant but is Abd ( عبد) which means slave

15"No longer do I call you slaves, for the slave does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you. Jn. 15
But for as many as received Him to them gave He the power to become the sons of God, but I don't mind being a servant of God either. You can be both. Jesus said the greatest among you will be your servant. Jesus made himself a servant of His disciples by washing their feet. We see the term servant differently friend. I have the understanding my God gave me for it.

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In Christianity, God is described as a Father to show his love and mercy and men are described as his sons
In islam, we don't describe God as a father and we don't describe ourselves as sons of God, because describing our relation to God in this way has been misused by christians. Some of the early christians used to describe Jesus Pbuh as son of God, to show that God loves him, exactly as David and Solomon has been described as sons of God in the OT. However, after describing Jesus as son of God to show that God loves him, people began to believe that this means that he is God. This is why we don't describe God as a father in Islam or say that we are the sons of God.
However, Prophet Muhammad Pbuh taught us that God is not just as loving and merciful as a father, but that God is more loving and merciful than a mother. There’s a Hadith where a mother had lost her child during a battle, and she was looking for him fearing the worst. When she found him, she held him close and it was one of the most powerful scenes of love and mercy the companions have seen that they started to weep. Our Beloved peace be upon him said, “do you wonder at the mercy this mother had for her child? God is far more merciful to His servants than this mother is to her child!”

If he taught you that, what is wrong with considering God your father? When a child speaks to his parents he doesn't say "Oh my great and merciful loving masterful mother with father's permission may your slave I beg you go and get a glass of milk from the refrigerator" LOL

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In Islam, you are 100 % safe as long as you believe in God, all of his messengers, all of his books and in judgement day and you do good deeds.
This is the guarantee that the holy Quran gives to all people :


(من عمل صالحا من ذكر أو أنثى وهو مؤمن فلنحيينه حياة طيبة ولنجزينهم أجرهم بأحسن ما كانوا يعملون)

النحل 97

( Whoever does righteousness, whether male or female, while he is a believer – We will surely cause him to live a good life, and We will surely give them their reward [in the Hereafter] according to the best of what they used to do.) 15:97

So your security in Islam, depends on believing in the religion of God and doing rightousness
However, we don't think that we are sure that we are 100% safe in judgement day, because we don't know how our deeds will be at our death ? At our death, will we be believers doing good deeds ? If so, we are safe but we don't know how will we be at our death.

Abu Bakr who was Islam's prophet's right hand man couldn't say what you said; yet you could. He said, "I couldn't trust the Makr of Allah is I had one foot in paradise and one on earth" You are telling me that bakr meant something different than what he said. If he didn't say what he meant, why didn't he say what he meant.

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What about christianity?
You think that you are safe because God made the Jews and Romans kill his son or himself on the cross !!!
Surely, this is a very strange concept
However, let me ask you a question
Do you think that you are secure even if you kill other people or rob them or do very bad deeds just because you believe that God has sacrificed his son ?
If so, then surely christianity is not the true religion because it encourages people to do bad deeds just because they believe that they are secure whatever their deeds are, as long as they believe that Jesus Pbuh was crucified
If you think that to be secure, you must do good deeds, then this is the same as Islam, so there is no point at all in your objection
In Islam we have hope in God and in the same time we fear him
We hope that he will forgive us and have mercy on us and in the same time we fear his punishment
Our fear from god prevents us from doing bad deeds
Abu Bakr did not say that he does not trust God of course, but what he said means that he will fear God even if one of his legs was in paradise and the other is still outside it

I have addressed this. I don't think I am saved; I know it. We are saved by God's grace through faith. it is not according to what we did or do. It is according to what Christ did. I know I am saved because of the righteousness of Christ who creates in me the will to do according to God's good pleasure and not according to what I consider good deeds. You are trust in the arm of the flesh to do good deeds for God which cam never make up for the wrong deeds you've done. Just like in a court of law. If I murder someone and then repent and start doing good deeds, the court will not let me go and justice is not served until I pay for my crime with my life. Jesus paid for my crime. That is why I know I am safe. To God I am the righteousness of Christ . You have nothing to atone for the wrongs you have done against God and that you are yet to do. This is tantamount to being on death row as a slave prisoner as the guards walk you through the chamber hall shouting out "Dead man walking dead man walking."

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Well, this is just what you want to think
I told you, we do this with all members whether muslims or christians
We do this with christians, because some of them speak about Islam and Prophet MuhammadPbuh in a very rude offending way
Thank you

Well, I hope not to be rude about your prophet, but I hope you can understand that I don't see him as mine. And I don't believe things add up. IOW, I don't believe a Muslim most make over a hundred posts before he or she can post directly and Pandora has had over 500 posts as she mentioned without saying anything negative about Islam, and she cannot post directly. This is the sense of justice I feel I can expect for Islam; Islam's messenger and god thanks to forum policy you described. Jesus said you will know them by their fruit. To know about one's religion, we can see how they treat others and come to our own conclusions. I could be wrong, but I am just calling it honestly the way I see it.