السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
يا أخي الكريم
توجد غرفة انجليزية للحوار الاسلامي المسيحي
هل قمت بزيارتها ؟؟
ان لم تجد ما تريد هنا ...... يمكنك زياة تلك الغرفة
أو التوجة الي قسم الشرق الاوسط
غرفة الحوار الاسلامي المسيحي
Muslim Christian Dialogue
موقع الغرفة
أو غرفة النصارى يسألوننا عن الإسلام
Christian are asking us about Islam
موقع الغرفة
تحياتي
نبدأ حول ألوهية المسيح و تفنيدها
المسيح عليه السلام كان عبداً لله
jesus(peace be upon him) was a servant of God in the bible
Acts 3 - New International Version
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...+3&version=NIV
13The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. You handed him over to be killed, and you disowned him before Pilate, though he had decided to let him go
الفقرة بالعربي على الشكل التالي
سفر اعمال الرسل – اصحاح 3
26اليكم اولا اذ اقام الله عبده يسوع ارسله يبارككم برد كل واحد منكم عن شروره
Acts 4 - New International Version
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...+4&version=NIV
27Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the people[e] of Israel in this city to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed
سفر اعمال الرسل – اصحاح 3
13 ان اله ابراهيم واسحق ويعقوب اله آبائنا مجد عبده يسوع الذي اسلمتموه انتم وانكرتموه امام وجه بيلاطس وهو حاكم باطلاقه
jesus will be subjected to God
Corinthians1 : 15 )New American Standard Bible)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...5&version=NASB
28When (AR)all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that (AS)God may be all in all
يسوع سوف يخضع لله
رسالة بولس الرسول الاولى الى اهل كورنثوس – اصحاح 15
28 ومتى اخضع له الكل فحينئذ الابن نفسه ايضا سيخضع للذي اخضع له الكل كي يكون الله الكل في الكل
to be continued
jesus has never claimed to be God
although i can see that bible says jesus has a God
المسيح لم يقل أبداً أنه الله بل قال أن له إله
Mathew says about Jesus in the Gospel of Mathew “Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" Matthew 27:46 NIV
انجيل المسيح حسب البشير متى - اصحاح 27
ونحو الساعة التاسعة صرخ يسوع بصوت عظيم قائلا ايلي ايلي لما شبقتني اي الهي الهي لماذا تركتني.
John mentions that Jesus in the gospel of John said “I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God”. John 20:17
NKJV
و في انجيل يوحنا يقول يسوع
"1إني ذاهب إلى أبي وأبيكم وإلهي وإلهكم" يوحنا( اصحاح 20 : 17)
jesus used to pray to God
يسوع كان يصلي لله
Mark 1 (New International Version)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...+1&version=NIV
Jesus Prays in a Solitary Place
35Very early in the morning, while it was still dark, Jesus got up, left the house and went off to a solitary place, where he prayed.
" وكان يصلّي هناك" (مرقس 35: 1)
Luke 22 (New International Version)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...22&version=NIV
41He withdrew about a stone's throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed,
-" جثا على ركبتيه وصلى" لوقا22 : 41
Luke 22 (New International Version)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...22&version=NIV
44And being in anguish, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground
"وإذ كان في جهاد كان يصلّي بأشد لجاجة وصار عرقه كقطرات دم نازلة على الأرض. ثم قام من الصلاة وجاء إلى تلاميذه" لوقا 22/44
Jesus testifies that God is one and that he is a messenger of God
يسوع يشهد لله بالوحدانية و لنفس بالرسالة
John 17 (New International Version)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...17&version=NIV
3Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent
note that he says you and not me and you or i the only tru God
يوحنا 17: 3
وهذه هي الحياة الابدية ان يعرفوك انت الاله الحقيقي وحدك ويسوع المسيح الذي ارسلته.
لاحظ أنه يقول أنت و لا يقول أنا و أنت أو أنا هو الإله الحقيقي
نأتي الآن لنقطة كتاب الأناجيل
!
Matthew didn’t write the Gospel of Matthew
Matthew 9 )New International Version)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...09&version=NIV
9As Jesus went on from there, he saw a man named Matthew sitting at the tax collector's booth. "Follow me," he told him, and Matthew got up and followed him.
متى لم يكتب انجيل متى
إِنْجِيلُ اَلْمَسِيحِ حَسَبَ اَلْبَشِيرِ مَتَّى
اَلأَصْحَاحُ اَلتَّاسِعُ
وَفِيمَا يَسُوعُ مُجْتَازٌ مِنْ هُنَاكَ رَأَى إِنْسَاناً جَالِساً عِنْدَ مَكَانِ اَلْجِبَايَةِ اَسْمُهُ مَتَّى. فَقَالَ لَهُ: "اتْبَعْنِي". فَقَامَ وَتَبِعَهُ
Luke had never seen jesus
Luke 1 )New International Version
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...01&version=NIV
1Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, 2just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. 3Therefore, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account for you, most
As you can see that luke ( who was not one of the twelve Disciples and didn’t meet jesus at all) was not a witness to the life of jesus (peace be upon him) and that the information was gathered from eyewitnesses, and that the words are not inspired to him from God almighty
إِنْجِيلُ الْمَسِيحِ حَسَبَ الْبَشِيرِ لُوقَا
اَلأَصْحَاحُ الأَوَّلُ
1إِذْ كَانَ كَثِيرُونَ قَدْ أَخَذُوا بِتَأْلِيفِ قِصَّةٍ فِي الأُمُورِ الْمُتَيَقَّنَةِ عِنْدَنَا 2كَمَا سَلَّمَهَا إِلَيْنَا الَّذِينَ كَانُوا مُنْذُ الْبَدْءِ مُعَايِنِينَ وَخُدَّاماً لِلْكَلِمَةِ 3رَأَيْتُ أَنَا أَيْضاً إِذْ قَدْ تَتَبَّعْتُ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ مِنَ الأَوَّلِ بِتَدْقِيقٍ أَنْ أَكْتُبَ عَلَى التَّوَالِي إِلَيْكَ أَيُّهَا الْعَزِيزُ ثَاوُفِيلُسُ
كما ترى فإن لوقا (الذي لم يكن واحدا من الحواريين الاثني عشر ولم يلتق عيسى عليه السلام مطلقا)قال أنه لم يكن بنفسه شاهدا على حياة عيسى عليه السلام، وأن المعلومات التي جمعها كانت من شهود عيان، وليست كلمات أوحى له بها الله عز وجل.
the Gospel between your hands was written after the raise of Christ
It is well known that the first Christians Gospel is the Gospel of Mark, which was written about 60-75 AD.
That is forty years after the raise of Christ and that means that even Christ himself knows nothing about the Gospel that exists between their hands!
So how did they explain that ?
Mark 8 )New International Version)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...08&version=NIV
35For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me and for the gospel will save it
Matthew 26 )New International Version)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...26&version=NIV
13I tell you the truth, wherever this gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her."
But as we can see that the Gospel Between our hands those days is not the one that was with Christ
So where is the Gospel of Christ ????
Where is the Gospel that Christ was talking about ???
Their was a Gospel with him but where can we find it now ??
There was a gospel before the raise of Christ . so where is that Gospel ?
Not the Gospels of Mark , Luke , Matthew and John that were written years latter after the raise of Christ
What does the Quran say about that ?
When was the Gospel handled to Christ before or after his raise ?
Surah 5
110. Then will Allah say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.'
So we can’t believe in the Gospel until they Bring the Gospel of Christ and not the Gospels of Mark , Luke , Matthew and John
الإنجيل الذي بين يديكم كتب بعد رفع المسيح
من المعروف عند المسيحيين أن أول الأناجيل هو إنجيل مرقس الذي كتب حوالي 60-75 للميلاد.
أي بعد أربعون سنة من رفع المسيح , أي أن المسيح في معتقداتهم , لا يعرف أي شئ عن الإنجيل الموجود بين يديهم !
فكيف يعللون الآتي :
إِنْجِيلُ الْمَسِيحِ حَسَبَ الْبَشِيرِ مَرْقُسَ
اَلأَصْحَاحُ الثَّامِنُ
35فَإِنَّ مَنْ أَرَادَ أَنْ يُخَلِّصَ نَفْسَهُ يُهْلِكُهَا وَمَنْ يُهْلِكُ نَفْسَهُ مِنْ أَجْلِي وَمِنْ أَجْلِ الإِنْجِيلِ فَهُوَ يُخَلِّصُهَا.
إِنْجِيلُ اَلْمَسِيحِ حَسَبَ اَلْبَشِيرِ مَتَّى
اَلأَصْحَاحُ اَلسَّادِسُ وَاَلْعِشْرُونَ
13اَلْحَقَّ أَقُولُ لَكُمْ: حَيْثُمَا يُكْرَزْ بِهَذَا اَلإِنْجِيلِ فِي كُلِّ اَلْعَالَمِ يُخْبَرْ أَيْضاً بِمَا فَعَلَتْهُ هَذِهِ تَذْكَاراً لَهَا".
الآن نسأل المسيحيين أين الانجيل الذي كان بين يدي المسيح؟
أين الانجيل الذي كان يتحدث عنه المسيح في تلك الفقرة ؟
كان هناك انجيل فأين هو ؟
طبعاً ليس الذي نريده أناجيل متى و مرقس و لوقا و يوحنا التي كتبت بعد رفع المسيح .
ماذا يقول القرآن في ذلك ؟
متى أعطي الانجيل للمسيح عليه السلام قبل أم بعد رفعه ؟
" إِذْ قَالَ اللَّهُ يَا عِيسَى ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ اذْكُرْ نِعْمَتِي عَلَيْكَ وَعَلى وَالِدَتِكَ إِذْ أَيَّدْتُكَ بِرُوحِ الْقُدُسِ تُكَلِّمُ النَّاسَ فِي الْمَهْدِ وَكَهْلًا وَإِذْ عَلَّمْتُكَ الْكِتَابَ وَالْحِكْمَةَ وَالتَّوْرَاةَ وَالْإِنْجِيلَ وَإِذْ تَخْلُقُ مِنَ الطِّينِ كَهَيْئَةِ الطَّيْرِ بِإِذْنِي فَتَنْفُخُ فِيهَا فَتَكُونُ طَيْرًا بِإِذْنِي وَتُبْرِئُ الْأَكْمَهَ وَالْأَبْرَصَ بِإِذْنِي وَإِذْ تُخْرِجُ الْمَوْتَى بِإِذْنِي وَإِذْ كَفَفْتُ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ عَنْكَ إِذْ جِئْتَهُمْ بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ فَقَالَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا مِنْهُمْ إِنْ هَذَا إِلَّا سِحْرٌ مُبِينٌ (110)"سورة المائدة
و لذلك لا يمكن ان نصدق أناجيلهم حتى يأتونا بانجيل المسيح
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