Originally Posted by
Burninglight
I am not changing the topic. It is all about what makes more sense Christianity or Islam which is the topic of this thread, and it doesn't go against rules to bring up sub topics that support the thread title. Iit sounds to me like you are trying to make trouble for me that is not necessary. If you think I shouldn't be able to post directly and need this disadvantage, that is fine and your opinion. I don't want to hear about it any more from you, and I told you this already so you are bent on changing the topic of this thread and sticking to it after I told I will discuss it no further with you. You bait me to be off topic and then judge me when I do it, but it is all par for the course. I know you don't care what I think, but the sources I gave about your prophet's reaction on Mt. Hira is from Muslim sources. From Ibn Ishaq's "Sirat Rasulallah" from Guillaume's translation, "The Life of Muhammad", [3], page 106. Words in [ ] type brackets are mine. Words in ( ) brackets are the author's.
"So I [Muhammad] read it, and he [Gabriel] departed from me. And I awoke from my sleep, and it was though these words were written on my heart. (Tabari: Now none of God's creatures was more hateful to me than an (ecstatic) poet or a man possessed: I could not even look at them. I thought, Woe is me poet or possessed - Never shall Quraysh say this of me! I will go to the top of the mountain and throw myself down that I may kill myself and gain rest. So I went forth to do so and then) when I was midway on the mountain, I heard a voice from heaven saying "O Muhammad! thou are the apostle of God and I am Gabriel."
Can you proof this is not authentic? it is from Muslims sources is it not? Are you going to say all the things you don't like are weak oral traditions?
The "Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir", (Book of the Major Classes), by Ibn Sa'd, translated by S. Moinal Haq, [4], page 225 has Muhammad saying:
"O Khadija, I see light and hear sounds and I fear I am mad".
The visitations from the spirit continued. Then they stopped for a time believed to have been from 6 months to 3 years. When this happened, Tabari, [5], volume 6 page 76, records:
"The inspiration ceased to come to the messenger of God for a while, and he was deeply grieved. He began to go to the tops of mountain crags, in order to fling himself from them; but every time he reached the summit of a mountain, Gabriel appeared to him and said to him, "You are the Prophet of God." Thereupon his anxiety would subside and he would come back to himself."
Also, from Tabari Vol. 9, page 167, note 1151 says:
"The pre-Islamic Arabs believed in the demon of poetry, and they thought that a great poet was directly inspired by demons...."
This explains why Muhammad thought he was demon possessed, or influenced by demons; the Quran in many places reads like typical Arabic poetry.
In "Muhammad at Mecca", by W. M. Watt, [6], pages 40, 41, there are also references that detail Muhammad's suicidal thoughts. Watt quotes from az-Zuhri's material.
"He (Muhammad) said, I had been meditating throwing myself from a mountain crag, but while I was so meditating, he appeared to me and said, "O Muhammad, I am Gabriel, and thou are the Messenger of God."....
Az-Zuhri said: "There was a gap for a time in the revelation to the Messenger of God and he was very sorrowful. He started going early to the tops of the mountains to throw himself down from them. But whenever he reached the summit of a mountain, Gabriel would appear to him and say, "Thou are the Prophet of God."
So before you say this is off topic know that I am using to proof to me that Christianity makes more sense. When Paul was confronted by Jesus He did fear for his life and neither did Moses at the burning bush. Paul had reason to fear, because he was bent on killing Christians that Jesus considered to be His people. Demons throw fear into people and not heavenly beings. This is an argument to show that Christianity makes more sense. Now if these stories are not true about Islam's prophet prove it to me, because they are Islamic sources. Some Muslims deny this and others accept it is true so how I am supposed to know. You haven't proven yourself dependable in your comments about Islam so who I am to believe about Islam?
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